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QSAs with clasp Talana 2 months 3 weeks ago #99227

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Sorry for turning this into a genealogy session :-)
It seems that he had three wives.

1854-09-08: Johan Sanfrid Carlgren; born in Yllestad, Skaraborgs län (now Västra Götlands län), Sweden. Father Gustaf Edvard Carlgren (1834-02-14--1924-05-25) was a soldier in Bredeneds rote. Mother Clara Johansdotter (1833-06-12--1926-02-20).

1854-1857: Lived in Gärdegården, Yllestad, Skaraborgs län, Sweden.

1857-1862: Lived in Hjälmshögen, Smula socken, Norra Åsarp, Skaraborgs län, Sweden.

1862-1886: Lived in Hjälmshögen, Norra Åsarp, Skaraborgs län, Sweden.

1886-08-16: Johan travelled alone to South Africa. Unmarried.

1888-07-04: Selma Josefina Hansdotter travelled alone to South Africa. Unmarried. Born 1861-11-18 in Kölaby, Älvsborgs län, Sweden. Father's name Hans Olofsson.

1888~1889: 1st marriage to Selma Josefina Hansdotter.

1890-01-04: Daughter Emma Josefina Carlgren is born in Eshowe, South Africa.

1890-04-18/20: Johan's 1st wife Selma Josefina Hansdotter dies in Eshowe, South Africa.

1895-09-28: Johan arrived from South Africa with his daughter to Hög Trädgården, Norra Åsarp, Älvsborgs län (now Västra Götlands län), Sweden.

1896-06-28: 2nd marriage to the elementary school teacher Augusta Wallander. Born 1859-08-21 in Karleby, Skaraborgs län, Sweden.

1896-07-31: Augusta Wallander travelled to Zululand, South Africa.

1896-09-04: Johan travelled with daughter to South Africa. Carpenter.

1897-04-11: Birth of son John Erik Valdemar Karlgren, in Eshowe, South Africa.

1897-11-17: Death of son John Erik Valdemar Karlgren, in Eshowe, South Africa.

1898-03-29: Johan's 2nd wife dies in Eshowe, South Africa.

1899-1902: Johan took part in the Boer War on the Brittish side, D section of Dundee Towns Guard. QSA with clasp TALANA and rim text "J. S. CARLGREEN. DUNDEE TN: GD:".
Carlgreen; John Sandfrid; QSA (1) Source: List of QSAs with the clasp Talana from the Talana book; Dundee Town Guard

1902-10-07: Hilda Eleontina Ahlén travelled alone to South Africa. Unmarried. Born 1864-05-04 in Tillberga, Västmanlands län, Sweden.

1903-05-23: 3rd marriage to Hilda Eleontina Ahlén in Dundee, South Africa.

1904-10-12: His daugther Emma Josefina returns from South Africa, to Vättlösa, Skaraborgs län, Sweden.

1908-12-22: His daughter Emma Josefina is married to Frans Vilhelm Pettersson (1886-02-28 -- 1955-08-27). She took his last name.

1933-07-15: Johan Sanfrid Carlgren dies in Dundee, South Africa.

1975-08-24: His daughter Emma Josefina Petterson dies in Gothenburg, Sweden.

Thanks David and Pat for your help.


//Stefan

I had reference links for almost all dates, but I wasn't allowed to post them. PM me and I can send them, if interested.
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QSAs with clasp Talana 1 week 1 day ago #100188

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QSA (5) Talana, Defence of Ladysmith, Orange Free State, Laing’s Nek, Belfast (4699, Pte. C. [sic] Quick, 18/Hrs.);
KSA (2) (4699 Pte. H. Quick. 18th. Hussars).

B Squadron.

Gibbons July 1974 £26.
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IGS 1854 (2) Burma 1885-7, Burma 1887-9 (46209 Gunr L Gale 7/1 Cinqe Ports Div:RA) ;
QSA (2) Talana, Tr (5686 Pte L Gray RL Dublin Fus);
[ KSA (2) ]

The Lockdales write-up says: 'Wounded on front of left leg 8/12/1890 ... with much copied research, born St Marys, Liverpool. Papers confirm he rejoined under a false name, he is also entitled to the Kings South Africa Medal, medal roll states 'Died at Aden 11/10/1902'

Lewis Gray.

Wounded at Talana. Died, liver disease, Aden, 11 October 1902.
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QSA (4) Talana, Defence of Ladysmith, Laing’s Nek, Belfast (4600 Pte. J. Sutton, I: Leic: Regt.);
KSA (2) (4600 Pte. J. A. Sutton. Leicester Regt.) initials officially corrected on KSA

QSA (4), KSA (2). Liverpool Jun 1994 £120.
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QSA (6) Talana, Defence of Ladysmith, Laing’s Nek, Belfast, Cape Colony, Orange Free State, top two clasps loose on riband (7994 Pte. H. Smith. K.R.R.C.);
KSA (2) (7994 Pte. H. Smith. K.R.R.C.)

Harry Smith. Medals and clasps confirmed.
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THE QUEEN'S SOUTH AFRICA MEDAL AWARDED TO PRIVATE J. BYRNE, 2ND BATTALION ROYAL DUBLIN FUSILIERS, WHO WAS TAKEN PRISONER OF WAR AT COLENSO ON 15/12/1899.

QSA & 6 clasps: Cape Colony, Talana, Tugela Heights, Orange Free State, Relief of Ladysmith, Transvaal officially impressed: 4505 PTE. J. BYRNE, RL. DUBLIN FUS:

QSA and KSA Medal rolls, confirm six clasp QSA and that Byrne was also entitled to the King's South Africa Medal. If anyone knows of the location of Byrne's KSA, please contact me as I would like very much to reunite them.

James Byrne was born in the parish of St Nicholas, Dublin, Ireland, and educated at the Royal Military Asylum and the Royal Hibernian Military School. He attested for the Royal Dublin Fusiliers at Dublin on 4 August 1892. At the time of enlistment, he was 18 years and 2 months of age and gave his trade as that of builder’s laborer. Attestation papers note previous service with the 4th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers from October 1891, and that he previously volunteered for service, but had been rejected because he was under age and under the required chest measurement (at the time of enlistment Byrne's height was given as 5 feet 5.5 inches, and his weight as a mere 8 stone 4 pounds or 116 Lbs). Byrne was posted for service as a private with the 1st Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers on 16 October 1892. Within 2 years he had gone absent without leave, 15 September 1894, but returned to duty on 22 September of the same year, when he was transferred to the 2nd Battalion on 26 September 1894. Following his service during the Boer War, Byrne was posted back to the 1st Battalion, transferred to the Army Reserve on 14th March 1903, and discharged "time expired" on 3rd August 1904. In addition to service in South Africa for 5 years and 48 days, from 18th May 1897 to 12th October 1902, Byrne also saw service in India from September 1894 to May 1897. At the time of discharge, he gave his next of kin as his father, of 18 Bride St, Dublin.

Private Byrne was at Talana and was posted missing in action at the fiasco at Colenso on 15 December 1899. He was a prisoner of war and was later released. Medal and clasps confirmed on roll.

Byrne J 4505 Private 2nd Btn. Missing - released at Colenso on 15 Dec 1899. Source: Natal Field Force Casualty Roll, page 188-line 43 Royal Dublin Fusiliers

Byrne J 4505 Private QSA (6) QSA known to exist Source: List of QSAs with the clasp Talana from the Talana book

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